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Title: Gallica2 Post by hck on 14.11.2007 at 09:59:42 Some time in 2008 the BNF intends to switch from the gallica-interface as we know it to a new interface, called gallica2. For more information see http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ and espec. http://gallica2.bnf.fr/html/aide/projet.html. The search interface is working already now. I like the option to filter and change  sets of results by adding or deleting additional search terms. I like the option to access controlled entries for authors. I'm not yet really happy with the way multi-voulme publications are treated (e.g.: I found no way to go to any main entry for the whole of Michelet's "Histoire de France"). Let's see how this develops ... . Thanks to Jean Luc Deuffic at http://blog.pecia.fr/post/2007/11/13/Bibliotheque-nationale-de-France-%3A-le-nouveau-Gallica-est-arrive for pointing me there!

Title: Re: Gallica2 Post by hck on 13.02.2008 at 16:17:19 According to http://www.bnf.fr/pages/catalog/bibliotheque_numerique.htm they plan the definite switch to this new version (gallica2) for the end of 2008.

Title: Gallica breaks links Post by hck on 17.03.2009 at 10:34:25 The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  :( See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/: Quote: It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable.

Title: Re: Gallica breaks links Post by hck on 17.03.2009 at 11:06:22 hck wrote: The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  :( See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/: Quote: It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable. See also http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/essay.html and http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/5587472/. BTW: I just send a mail to gallica and posted a comment (yet in moderation) on their blog at http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=53#comment-42.

Title: Re: Gallica breaks links Post by hck on 18.03.2009 at 09:14:28 hck wrote: The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  :( See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/: Quote: It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable. Good news! I did not recieve any response from gallica, and they didn't publish my comment on their blog, but: at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/ you can now read: Quote: BACK IN BUSINESS A reader, Peter Boot, has had the great kindness to point out a "workaround" so that original Gallica URLs can be altered so as to retain their validity. Although it remains a source of alarm and dismay that Gallica itself fails to give adequate publicity to this device or provide redirection top its new URLs, the forward progress of this bibliography will now resume. If any time in the future these links lose their validity, this forward progress will once again cease. The change in question is OLD "http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/ConsultationTout.exe?O=n" NEW "http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-" retaining the indentificion number of the individual item. I express my deep gratitude to the scholars who have supported this bibliography by lodging complaints with the Gallica authorities. (highlighting mine)

Title: URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF (Re: Gallica2) Post by hck on 19.03.2009 at 12:13:59 I received a long and friendly mail from Arnaud Dhermy at BNF. I'll quote the part whis is of probably most interest to those of us who have linked and do link to documents in Gallica/Gallica2: Quote: En fait, il y a bien des transferts automatiques entre les url de Gallica 1 et ceux de Gallica 2. Mais ce transfert n'a concerné que les liens utilisant une adresse "ark" de ce type : http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f et : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f pour prendre l'exemple de l'ouvrage d'Abati, De admirabili viperae natura et de mirificis ejusdem facultatibus liber En effet, depuis plus de deux ans, ce sont ces seules références que la BnF peut garantir dans la durée, et non les vieilles adresses du type : http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572

Title: Re:  URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF Post by hck on 20.03.2009 at 10:55:37 By now they also published my comment on their blog (http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=53). All in all: BNF's response was/is better than I had assumed it to be for some days. :) So: Thanks to the folks there!

Title: Re: URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF (Gallica2) Post by hck on 23.03.2009 at 12:23:42 hck wrote: I received a long and friendly mail from Arnaud Dhermy at BNF. I'll quote the part whis is of probably most interest to those of us who have linked and do link to documents in Gallica/Gallica2: Quote: En fait, il y a bien des transferts automatiques entre les url de Gallica 1 et ceux de Gallica 2. Mais ce transfert n'a concerné que les liens utilisant une adresse "ark" de ce type : http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f et : http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f pour prendre l'exemple de l'ouvrage d'Abati, De admirabili viperae natura et de mirificis ejusdem facultatibus liber En effet, depuis plus de deux ans, ce sont ces seules références que la BnF peut garantir dans la durée, et non les vieilles adresses du type : http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572 Dana F. Sutton asked me to publish her response to this. Here it is: Quote: Dear Dr. Dhermy: This response is not satisfactory. What you call the "old type" http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572 " in fact rep laced an  older  URL formula ""http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/ConsultationTout.exe?O=n "). To the best of my knowledge, it was never made clear to users of   your site that URLs of the "ark" type were in any way superior to the   others, and as far as I am aware it was not publicly announced that   "ce sont ces seules références que la BnF peut garantir dans la   durée." At what time, in what public foru m, and to whom was any such   statement made?  There seems to be no way by which URLs of the either   of the previous URL types can be converted into URLs of the "ark"   structure by a simple global search-and-replace operation, such   conversion seemingly would have to b e done manually on an i t em-by- item basis  (if I am mistaken about this, I would be grateful if you   would give instructions how     an automated conversion can be   accomplished). Therefore in my bibliography it appears that I am   obliged to use URLs of the "Visualiseur" type, because URLs of the   "ConsultationTout" structure can aut omatically be converted only into   this one (I am, obviously, unwilling to change nearly 4000   bibliographical records manually). It is remarkable that in its comparatively short lifetime the Gallica   site has identified its posted texts by no less than three different   URL structures, especially considering the absence of any adequate   redirection mechanism that embraces them all. I therefore respectfully   suggest that Gallica ought to make a commitment to its readers th at   the validity of URLs of the "Visualiseur" structure will be maintained   in perpetuity. Yours sincerely, Dana F. Sutton

Title: Gallica2: digitisation of manuscript microfilms Post by hck on 08.04.2009 at 10:54:13 There are plans to digitise microfilms of (mainly or completely?) BNF manuscripts: see http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=125: Quote: Dès 2009, sera entreprise la numérisation des 55.000 microfilms du département des Manuscrits.   Let's hope that the quality of the digitised versions will be good enough to permit real use!

Title: Gallica2: Rubius' Logica mexicana vanished Post by hck on 05.08.2009 at 13:39:08 According to http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/r.html there should be two copies of Antonius Rubius's Logica mexicana available in digitised form in Gallica (at http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-057498 and at http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-057499). They are not. And worse still: searching for "logica mexicana" directly in gallica I get only works citing that book, but neither copy of the digitised work. Searching for the author "Rubio, Antonio" I get only a hit for his De anima commentary. Author search for "Rubius, Antonius" results in 0 hits. Same for title search for "logica mexicana". And BNF's main catalogue has no link to any digitisation products for their copies of Rubius's Logica mexicana either. :( >:( What happened?

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