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14.11.2007 at 09:59:42
 
Some time in 2008 the BNF intends to switch from the gallica-interface as we know it to a new interface, called gallica2.
For more information see http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ and espec. http://gallica2.bnf.fr/html/aide/projet.html .
 
The search interface is working already now. I like the option to filter and change  sets of results by adding or deleting additional search terms. I like the option to access controlled entries for authors. I'm not yet really happy with the way multi-voulme publications are treated (e.g.: I found no way to go to any main entry for the whole of Michelet's "Histoire de France").  
Let's see how this develops ... .
 


Thanks to Jean Luc Deuffic at http://blog.pecia.fr/post/2007/11/13/Bibliotheque-nationale-de-France-%3A-le-nou veau-Gallica-est-arrive for pointing me there!
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Reply #1 - 13.02.2008 at 16:17:19
 
According to http://www.bnf.fr/pages/catalog/bibliotheque_numerique.htm they plan the definite switch to this new version (gallica2) for the end of 2008.
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Gallica breaks links
Reply #2 - 17.03.2009 at 10:34:25
 
The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  Sad
 
See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/ :
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It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr

 
Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable.
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Re: Gallica breaks links
Reply #3 - 17.03.2009 at 11:06:22
 
Quote from hck on 17.03.2009 at 10:34:25:
The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  Sad

See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/ :
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It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr


Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable.

 
See also http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/essay.html and http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/5587472/ .
 
BTW: I just send a mail to gallica and posted a comment (yet in moderation) on their blog at http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=53#comment-42 .
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Reply #4 - 18.03.2009 at 09:14:28
 
Quote from hck on 17.03.2009 at 10:34:25:
The switch has resulted in broken links: old links to items on gallica do not work any longer, and can't be mended easily/intuitively.  Sad

See Dana F. Sutton's Emergency Note at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/ :
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It has been drawn to my attention that the Gallica site of the Bibltiothèque Nationale has, without warning, changed the URLs of its holdings to a new system. The nearly 4000 links to their holdings listed in this bibliography are therefore invalid. At the moment I have no idea of how to cope with this situation, since the new URL scheme is not such that it can be updated in this bibliography by a simple global search-and-replace operation: it appears that each URL would have to be updated manually, which I am unwilling to do. This is, in my opinion, a grave violation of basic principles of library science (no less than if the Bibltiothèque Nationale were to alter the shelfmarks of their physical holdings in an equally arbitrary way), and represents a betrayal of the trust of scholars who use their online material. I request that all affected users of this site join me in contacting the Gallica site to protest this decision in the strongest possible terms, using your professional title, if you have one. They may be contacted at gallica2@bnf.fr


Dana F. Sutton is going on strike because of this. And I myself will not post any links to ggallica items here any longer up to the moment when I can assume once again that their URLs will remain reasonable stable.

 
Good news! I did not recieve any response from gallica, and they didn't publish my comment on their blog, but: at http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/ you can now read:
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BACK IN BUSINESS

A reader, Peter Boot, has had the great kindness to point out a "workaround" so that original Gallica URLs can be altered so as to retain their validity. Although it remains a source of alarm and dismay that Gallica itself fails to give adequate publicity to this device or provide redirection top its new URLs, the forward progress of this bibliography will now resume. If any time in the future these links lose their validity, this forward progress will once again cease. The change in question is

OLD "http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/ConsultationTout.exe?O=n"
NEW "http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-"

retaining the indentificion number of the individual item.


I express my deep gratitude to the scholars who have supported this bibliography by lodging complaints with the Gallica authorities.

(highlighting mine)
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URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF (Re: Gallica2)
Reply #5 - 19.03.2009 at 12:13:59
 
I received a long and friendly mail from Arnaud Dhermy at BNF. I'll quote the part whis is of probably most interest to those of us who have linked and do link to documents in Gallica/Gallica2:
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En fait, il y a bien des transferts automatiques entre les url de Gallica
1 et ceux de Gallica 2. Mais ce transfert n'a concerné que les liens
utilisant une adresse "ark" de ce type :
http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f
et :
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f
pour prendre l'exemple de l'ouvrage d'Abati, De admirabili viperae natura
et de mirificis ejusdem facultatibus liber

En effet, depuis plus de deux ans, ce sont ces seules références que la
BnF peut garantir dans la durée, et non les vieilles adresses du type :
http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572
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Re:  URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF
Reply #6 - 20.03.2009 at 10:55:37
 
By now they also published my comment on their blog (http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=53 ).
All in all: BNF's response was/is better than I had assumed it to be for some days. Smiley
So: Thanks to the folks there!
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Re: URLs: Response from Gallica/BNF (Gallica2)
Reply #7 - 23.03.2009 at 12:23:42
 
Quote from hck on 19.03.2009 at 12:13:59:
I received a long and friendly mail from Arnaud Dhermy at BNF. I'll quote the part whis is of probably most interest to those of us who have linked and do link to documents in Gallica/Gallica2:
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En fait, il y a bien des transferts automatiques entre les url de Gallica
1 et ceux de Gallica 2. Mais ce transfert n'a concerné que les liens
utilisant une adresse "ark" de ce type :
http://gallica2.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f
et :
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k60572f
pour prendre l'exemple de l'ouvrage d'Abati, De admirabili viperae natura
et de mirificis ejusdem facultatibus liber

En effet, depuis plus de deux ans, ce sont ces seules références que la
BnF peut garantir dans la durée, et non les vieilles adresses du type :
http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572

 
Dana F. Sutton asked me to publish her response to this. Here it is:
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Dear Dr. Dhermy:

This response is not satisfactory. What you call the "old type" http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-060572
" in fact rep laced an older URL formula ""http://gallica.bnf.fr/scripts/ConsultationTout.exe?O=n
"). To the best of my knowledge, it was never made clear to users of
your site that URLs of the "ark" type were in any way superior to the
others, and as far as I am aware it was not publicly announced that
"ce sont ces seules références que la BnF peut garantir dans la
durée." At what time, in what public foru m, and to whom was any such
statement made? There seems to be no way by which URLs of the either
of the previous URL types can be converted into URLs of the "ark"
structure by a simple global search-and-replace operation, such
conversion seemingly would have to b e done manually on an i t em-by-
item basis (if I am mistaken about this, I would be grateful if you
would give instructions how an automated conversion can be
accomplished). Therefore in my bibliography it appears that I am
obliged to use URLs of the "Visualiseur" type, because URLs of the
"ConsultationTout" structure can aut omatically be converted only into
this one (I am, obviously, unwilling to change nearly 4000
bibliographical records manually).

It is remarkable that in its comparatively short lifetime the Gallica
site has identified its posted texts by no less than three different
URL structures, especially considering the absence of any adequate
redirection mechanism that embraces them all. I therefore respectfully
suggest that Gallica ought to make a commitment to its readers th at
the validity of URLs of the "Visualiseur" structure will be maintained
in perpetuity.

Yours sincerely,

Dana F. Sutton
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Gallica2: digitisation of manuscript microfilms
Reply #8 - 08.04.2009 at 10:54:13
 
There are plans to digitise microfilms of (mainly or completely?) BNF manuscripts: see http://blog.bnf.fr/gallica/?p=125 :
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Dès 2009, sera entreprise la numérisation des 55.000 microfilms du département des Manuscrits.  

 
Let's hope that the quality of the digitised versions will be good enough to permit real use!
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Gallica2: Rubius' Logica mexicana vanished
Reply #9 - 05.08.2009 at 13:39:08
 
According to http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/bibliography/r.html there should be two copies of Antonius Rubius's Logica mexicana available in digitised form in Gallica (at http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-057498 and at http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/Visualiseur?Destination=Gallica&O=NUMM-057499 ). They are not.
 
And worse still: searching for "logica mexicana" directly in gallica I get only works citing that book, but neither copy of the digitised work.
Searching for the author "Rubio, Antonio" I get only a hit for his De anima commentary. Author search for "Rubius, Antonius" results in 0 hits. Same for title search for "logica mexicana".
And BNF's main catalogue has no link to any digitisation products for their copies of Rubius's Logica mexicana either.
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What happened?
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